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UFO might just as well stand for

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unprecedented Financial opportunity

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be normal this is the saucer life a

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podcast in which we examine Concepts

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events or people orbiting the world of

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flying saucers a few preconceptions

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snark when Justified no belief no

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debunking today we're finishing up the

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story of the Gulf Breeze 6 and the

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subsequent work of Vance Davis now if

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you missed the first part of our look at

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the Gulf Breeze six story go back and

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check that out otherwise you might be a

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little bit lost but just as a brief

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recap in the summer of 1990 six soldiers

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who were stationed at an army base in

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Augsburg West Germany as it was at the

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time abandoned their posts and headed to

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the United States eventually winding up

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in Gulf Breeze Florida they were

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subsequently arrested they claimed that

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messages received through a Ouija board

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predicted massive disasters in the

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coming months and years and they wanted

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to get that message to people in

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obligations to the Army and which is a

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nice way of saying kicked out of the

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army and given General discharges

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although this would be misrepresented in

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the years to come by the people involved

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and by many who have written about the

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subject as them having received

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honorable discharges which if you listen

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to our first part you'll find out is a

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very different thing now for the most

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part the Gulf Breeze 6 tried to get back

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to some kind of normal after that but

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and seemed to have attempted to build

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some kind of post-army career out of the

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experiences that he had and that's what

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not long after all of this occurred with

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the Gulf Breeze six we see some

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discussion of them in Jacques valet's

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book Revelations alien contact and human

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deception and he points out some things

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that are pretty interesting he does say

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that they got General discharges so good

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uh good for you Jacques proud of you for

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getting that detail right but he he

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nearly one month in advance that war was

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that they predicted the Gulf War which

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Vance Davis's book which we'll get to in

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a little bit they don't actually in

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predicting so here's the thing

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bombings and things like that he said he

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Gulf War in particular that he would

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policy uh press and what foreign policy

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what does Vance Davis do next well he uh

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presentation at the let me make sure I

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aromatherapy in any case Davis will be

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Morton who had had some predictions of

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force known as The Black Guard as Davis

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possibility that force is loyal to the

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of 500 photos and plans was out in the

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public so Vance Davis also talks a

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Antichrist the existence of various

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races of alien beings who continue to

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dramatic shifts in Awareness for each

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and every one of us this promise is to

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be an incredible experience no one

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should Miss end quote

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so he's going to bring a Ouija board I

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think is what they're saying so we also

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get a little a little biographical blurb

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I was born in Wichita Kansas I'm now 29

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years of age I'm a graduate of Silva

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mind control that is how Military

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Intelligence in the NSA knew about my

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abilities when I went into the military

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at age 18. I was in for around seven

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years until I went AWOL to bring events

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and happenings that are to occur in the

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next 20 years

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our true goal which is to start at this

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time is to share the new thought and

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prepare those in the world who are not

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in these groups in July of this year I

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am publishing a new magazine called the

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Keepsake Forum I'm also working on a 300

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page book about my wife and I and the

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events of 1990 and Beyond I hope to have

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it completed in May of this year I can

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be contacted at box

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13406 Albuquerque New Mexico 87692

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I have not been able to find any any

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issues of the Keepsake Journal when I

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search for it all I get are online

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discussion boards about Hallmark

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Christmas tree ornaments also something

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I can't find is the actual speech that

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um that Davis gave at the national New

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Age Cosmic conspiracies and UFO

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conference in 1994. if anybody has that

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somewhere I don't know why you would but

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if anybody has that please let me know I

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would love to I would love to take a

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look at that a couple months after this

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Conference in June of nine actually a

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month after the conference rather in

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June of 1994. Vance Davis had the first

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of his what I believe are two

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appearances on Coast to Coast AM with

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Art Bell and this is this is early Coast

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to Coast back in 1994 so it's kind of

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interesting to um to see that and at the

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beginning of the episode art is you know

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talking about how he remembers all of

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this happening at the time in 1990.

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I wonder how many of you remember a

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story that was circulating a strange

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story that was circulating about six GIS

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six military folk who somehow and were

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about to get the story by the way got

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together used a Ouija board went off on

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some sort of Odyssey

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um AWOL and uh then were strangely

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inexplicably given an honorable

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discharge none of the story made any

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sense to me I was always trying to reach

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out and find out more this morning this

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evening this morning whatever we're

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going to do that we're going to find out

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more because I have a guest who was one

341
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of the six his name is Vance Davis oh

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again with the honorable discharge

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nonsense art I expect a higher standard

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of broadcast journalism from the man who

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brought us

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I don't know Mel's hole and too much Al

347
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bilik and John Lear

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in any case once Davis is on the show

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they they run down the uh that the basic

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story and they get to the Ouija board

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stuff and and art asks some questions

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about how these communications went and

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it's it's interesting because

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um it's nice to get this this sort of

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insight into the entire process because

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we didn't get that with the uh with the

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the government documents and the

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um the newspaper articles all right so

359
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tell me uh how did it go exactly I mean

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here it is moving around uh you ask no

361
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doubt who it is or what it is and what

362
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answer did you get well we got

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introduced uh basically she said and it

364
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was a woman that felt very womanly I

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guess the way it was moving uh a person

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named Sapphire

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and we asked who it was and and uh she

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you know where she was from and she

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basically said she used to be a woman

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from uh Georgia Believe It or Not

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Georgia yeah so someone in the other

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realm uh which had me and both Ken and

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most of us uh really spooked because we

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were talking so-called to a dead person

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stand your hair straight on end I'm sure

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uh yeah I think uh we we ended up

377
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getting a few more questions we quit for

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the rest of the night the name Sapphire

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did turn up in Ken beeson's affidavit as

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the name of the being that uh that the

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the six talked to through the Ouija

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board and here's another question we've

383
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got the spirit of this dead woman and

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this would change over time exactly who

385
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all they were talking to not just change

386
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but expand and get and get more complex

387
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at this point in the Art Bell interview

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they're not talking about talking to the

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Virgin Mary which was talked about in

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the original affidavits and reports and

391
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things like that but there's one really

392
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good question that art asks that

393
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advances answer for isn't terribly

394
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satisfying what did you ask by the way

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oh we basically and who she was where

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she was and what else and why why are

397
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they contacting us

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why were they talking to and we were

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basically given the answer because we

400
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wouldn't listen any other way the we

401
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there that he's referring to is Humanity

402
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wouldn't listen to the messages any

403
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other way without this means of

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communication which I I always think is

405
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such a strange thing well why why are

406
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you communicating with me

407
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um Sapphire from the Ouija board who

408
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used to to live in Georgia or orthon of

409
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Venus or whoever well you know you are

410
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somebody everybody will listen to We

411
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cannot go to the leaders we cannot go to

412
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the masses we need to speak through

413
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people like you why why do you need to

414
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speak through people like whoever why

415
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not it's a cliche why not land on the

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White House lawn why not land in Times

417
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Square why not just sort of make

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yourself known to all of humanity at

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once and speak

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a message that everybody needs to hear

421
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why go through these various conduits

422
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after talking a little bit about the

423
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predictions that uh that that the six

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made including earthquakes in Iran and

425
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um war in the Middle East and terrorist

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attacks and and things like that we'll

427
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get to those descriptions or those

428
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predictions in uh in detail once we get

429
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to Vance Davis's book here in a little

430
00:17:45,529 --> 00:17:43,380
bit but

431
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um Davis does offer a distinction

432
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between a prophecy and a prediction uh

433
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as most people just to educate a little

434
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bit predictions are way different from

435
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prophecies

436
00:17:57,049 --> 00:17:55,799
uh there's rumors going around these are

437
00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:57,059
prophecies no they're predictions

438
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predictions are put out so that changes

439
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can be made so they won't happen he's

440
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going to educate all of us who don't

441
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know any better even though I think he

442
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actually has it backwards if you look at

443
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the

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and and things like that prophets are

445
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sent not just to to tell

446
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what might happen but to deliver

447
00:18:22,850 --> 00:18:21,179
warnings if you look at prophecies in

448
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the Hebrew Bible that's very much turn

449
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from your ways or else and and that's

450
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sort of what he's saying a prediction is

451
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um so he's he's a little he's a little

452
00:18:37,490 --> 00:18:35,100
backwards on that part art also asks

453
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some questions about why they decided to

454
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leave Germany and come to the United

455
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States if they had a message that had to

456
00:18:47,690 --> 00:18:44,340
get out why could they not broadcast

457
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that message from Augsburg I thought we

458
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we had a domestic enemy working within

459
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the government

460
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and I wanted to be I want we wanted to

461
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make an impact to let people know that

462
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things were going on or things could go

463
00:19:04,970 --> 00:19:02,580
on that weren't right all right why

464
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:04,980
couldn't you do that from Germany well

465
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if you go to your chain of command and

466
00:19:09,890 --> 00:19:08,280
tell them you've been talking with the

467
00:19:12,770 --> 00:19:09,900
Ouija board yeah and you've done

468
00:19:15,289 --> 00:19:12,780
research I'm with you still

469
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:15,299
are it's real funny in my view and my

470
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:16,799
knowledge eight almost eight years in

471
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the military you make an example of

472
00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:20,820
soldiers that go AWOL you don't give

473
00:19:24,110 --> 00:19:22,559
them honorable discharges certainly true

474
00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:24,120
well hey you're right on fans because

475
00:19:29,150 --> 00:19:26,640
nobody gave you an honorable discharge

476
00:19:33,289 --> 00:19:29,160
you liar so that's not snark that's just

477
00:19:35,690 --> 00:19:33,299
me saying the truth so in addition to

478
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:35,700
the usual Art Bell back and forth with

479
00:19:40,370 --> 00:19:38,400
the interviewee we also have some

480
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callers there are some callers who call

481
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in as is coast to coast am's basically

482
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that that's that's one of their best

483
00:19:50,570 --> 00:19:47,059
gimmicks right there's a reason Art Bell

484
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survived when other talk shows

485
00:19:54,770 --> 00:19:52,740
from the same era about the same topics

486
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:54,780
didn't Thrive and survive as well as

487
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Coast to Coast AM and uh here's an

488
00:20:01,490 --> 00:19:59,220
example of a call who wanted to talk to

489
00:20:03,169 --> 00:20:01,500
Davis all right uh on the Wild Card line

490
00:20:07,549 --> 00:20:03,179
you're on the air with Vance Davis hello

491
00:20:11,930 --> 00:20:09,830
you sure shook everybody up in the UFO

492
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:11,940
Community because you guys ended up in

493
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golf please of course as you know golf

494
00:20:18,890 --> 00:20:16,380
place is the number one hot spot in UFO

495
00:20:21,169 --> 00:20:18,900
sightings in North America yeah it is

496
00:20:23,630 --> 00:20:21,179
yeah and uh wait a minute was there any

497
00:20:25,789 --> 00:20:23,640
connection at all Vance we knew about it

498
00:20:27,470 --> 00:20:25,799
uh but it wasn't the purpose we just

499
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went there to visit a couple women that

500
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we wanted to come with us all right well

501
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:31,460
there you are uh for it's

502
00:20:36,650 --> 00:20:35,039
any one of you had any UFO sightings uh

503
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I had one believe it or not in art

504
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:38,039
Bell's hometown

505
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I was there about uh two weeks ago you

506
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were you were in Pahrump I was in I was

507
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in Las Vegas Las Vegas Las Vegas uh I

508
00:20:51,710 --> 00:20:48,840
saw an interesting I don't know UFO is a

509
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:51,720
very catchy word I saw and I wasn't a

510
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plane and it was a weird light and a

511
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single light that moved probably I would

512
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:57,900
guess about close to 8 000 miles an hour

513
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because we're taught how to track planes

514
00:21:04,850 --> 00:21:02,400
and uh that thing moved faster than

515
00:21:06,890 --> 00:21:04,860
everything I've ever seen so and it was

516
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inside the atmosphere not outside the

517
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atmosphere I keep hooking up there all

518
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right thanks rich boy that's uh we are

519
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the center of that of answers no

520
00:21:17,810 --> 00:21:15,960
question about it I I love it uh just

521
00:21:20,090 --> 00:21:17,820
you know here's here's the Ouija board

522
00:21:21,650 --> 00:21:20,100
and the mysterious government stuff and

523
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predictions about the future that have

524
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that have come true and all of this very

525
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sort of dire stuff the first call have

526
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,220
you seen a UFO is that why you went to

527
00:21:32,810 --> 00:21:31,679
Gulf Breeze you know it's it's thanks

528
00:21:34,669 --> 00:21:32,820
Fritz

529
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um it's

530
00:21:39,409 --> 00:21:37,200
oh it's it's delightful and of course of

531
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:39,419
course Vance has to come up with a UFO

532
00:21:43,730 --> 00:21:42,240
story from there in um in in Vegas and

533
00:21:45,770 --> 00:21:43,740
you sort of hear art Bell's tone he's

534
00:21:47,090 --> 00:21:45,780
sort of put out when he's excited maybe

535
00:21:49,610 --> 00:21:47,100
this guy's been to Pahrump you know he

536
00:21:52,490 --> 00:21:49,620
said my hometown no Vegas and art was

537
00:21:54,890 --> 00:21:52,500
like oh you know Vegas right finally uh

538
00:21:57,470 --> 00:21:54,900
art has some theories some ideas about

539
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:57,480
why the government might have gotten

540
00:22:02,690 --> 00:22:00,000
involved in this case and and why these

541
00:22:04,730 --> 00:22:02,700
six soldiers might have been set free I

542
00:22:08,210 --> 00:22:04,740
wonder with a high profile of your case

543
00:22:11,570 --> 00:22:08,220
if when they heard this they had uh as I

544
00:22:13,730 --> 00:22:11,580
said some other independent source and

545
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uh their view was for something that

546
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:15,659
came to you you felt this strongly about

547
00:22:21,710 --> 00:22:18,720
that they also know about why would they

548
00:22:26,090 --> 00:22:23,570
that'd be my view I desire President

549
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:26,100
Bush and I had intelligence that other

550
00:22:30,590 --> 00:22:28,799
sources had been giving this my

551
00:22:31,789 --> 00:22:30,600
inclination might not be to you know

552
00:22:34,909 --> 00:22:31,799
lock you up and throw away the key

553
00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:34,919
here's a couple of faxes dear art in

554
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,780
order for these military people to have

555
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,360
been let off easily at the direction of

556
00:22:43,549 --> 00:22:41,520
bush or Dole they may have been given

557
00:22:46,130 --> 00:22:43,559
some rather sensitive information by The

558
00:22:47,690 --> 00:22:46,140
Entity via the Ouija board perhaps

559
00:22:49,310 --> 00:22:47,700
potentially embarrassing information

560
00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:49,320
about the administration at the time

561
00:22:54,289 --> 00:22:52,380
please ask your guest if my guess is

562
00:22:58,130 --> 00:22:54,299
correct is it

563
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,140
well uh the uh Gulf War was part of the

564
00:23:02,930 --> 00:23:00,240
predictions and exactly how long it

565
00:23:05,330 --> 00:23:02,940
would last and uh how far in the scene

566
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,340
would not be heard or anything else

567
00:23:09,409 --> 00:23:07,679
during the Skirmish so uh there could

568
00:23:11,210 --> 00:23:09,419
have been things in there that were they

569
00:23:13,549 --> 00:23:11,220
would consider highly sensitive about

570
00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:13,559
many things that we had as usual

571
00:23:18,049 --> 00:23:15,780
everybody's making much more of a big

572
00:23:20,029 --> 00:23:18,059
deal about the fact that they didn't you

573
00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:20,039
know get life in prison for going AWOL

574
00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:23,400
then then actually was the case and and

575
00:23:27,409 --> 00:23:25,260
that's that's intentional you know you

576
00:23:29,570 --> 00:23:27,419
you sort of you want to Gin that up

577
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,580
because you can you can sort of make

578
00:23:34,130 --> 00:23:31,440
yourself more mysterious and make things

579
00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:34,140
more of a conspiracy and and what's the

580
00:23:39,230 --> 00:23:36,840
real secret behind all this we'll see

581
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:39,240
more of that after the break when we get

582
00:23:45,950 --> 00:23:42,720
to Vance Davis's book Unbroken promises

583
00:23:49,310 --> 00:23:45,960
a true story of courage and belief which

584
00:23:51,409 --> 00:23:49,320
is the most generic uh book title I have

585
00:23:53,870 --> 00:23:51,419
ever heard uh he wrote it along with a

586
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,880
guy named Brian blashaw about whom I've

587
00:23:57,710 --> 00:23:55,919
been able to find nothing but according

588
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:57,720
to the dust jacket he's a writer and

589
00:24:02,750 --> 00:24:00,000
researcher who lives near Seattle

590
00:24:04,490 --> 00:24:02,760
that's all I know about Brian blashaw so

591
00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:04,500
after the break we're going to get into

592
00:24:10,370 --> 00:24:08,520
unbroken promises and Vance's second and

593
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:10,380
I think final appearance on Coast to

594
00:24:16,980 --> 00:24:14,640
Coast AM in 1998 with none other than

595
00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:16,990
Richard Hoagland

596
00:24:27,710 --> 00:24:26,029
next time we are heading further east

597
00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:27,720
and going further back in time to look

598
00:24:33,049 --> 00:24:29,580
at the classic UFO sighting events in

599
00:24:35,149 --> 00:24:33,059
Exeter New Hampshire in 1965.

600
00:24:36,770 --> 00:24:35,159
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616
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617
00:25:14,450 --> 00:25:12,600
part of the Gulf Breeze six Story red

618
00:25:15,710 --> 00:25:14,460
pill junkie says many things pop into my

619
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:15,720
head when listening about the Gulf

620
00:25:20,450 --> 00:25:18,360
Breeze 6. on the one hand it is hard not

621
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:20,460
to draw comparisons with Andrea harik

622
00:25:23,570 --> 00:25:22,320
and his Wild Goose chases when he was

623
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,580
following the channeled directions of

624
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:25,200
the nine on the other hand the

625
00:25:28,370 --> 00:25:26,640
possibility that these individuals are

626
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:28,380
being clandestinely exploited in some

627
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,720
sort of MK ultra-like experiment is

628
00:25:34,250 --> 00:25:32,640
difficult to disregard the fact they

629
00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:34,260
only receive the general discharge

630
00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:35,700
instead of a far more severe punishment

631
00:25:39,169 --> 00:25:37,380
is to me one of the most puzzling

632
00:25:40,490 --> 00:25:39,179
aspects of this whole tale although I

633
00:25:43,310 --> 00:25:40,500
can see it I may be falling into the

634
00:25:45,769 --> 00:25:43,320
same conspirate conspiranoid trappings

635
00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:45,779
that the UFO boss suffered when reading

636
00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:47,400
about this story and tried to connect

637
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:49,500
the dots too hard but there's also the

638
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:50,640
fact that these guys worked in

639
00:25:53,330 --> 00:25:52,260
cryptology for Army intelligence they

640
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:53,340
were literally trained to look for

641
00:25:57,169 --> 00:25:55,260
hidden messages and people involved in

642
00:25:59,149 --> 00:25:57,179
the military are just like us curious

643
00:26:01,070 --> 00:25:59,159
fallible subject to the same anxieties

644
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:01,080
and uncertainties about the future and

645
00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:02,640
people nowadays don't understand how

646
00:26:06,169 --> 00:26:04,440
scary the 90s were the fall of the

647
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,179
Soviet Union the LA riots Saddam

648
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:08,640
invading Kuwait and just a susceptible

649
00:26:12,590 --> 00:26:10,860
and just as susceptible to psychological

650
00:26:14,029 --> 00:26:12,600
and psychic manipulation as the rest of

651
00:26:16,250 --> 00:26:14,039
us just look at some of the people

652
00:26:18,409 --> 00:26:16,260
responsible for the modern push toward

653
00:26:19,730 --> 00:26:18,419
disclosure well that second part

654
00:26:21,169 --> 00:26:19,740
absolutely

655
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:21,179
um you you get involved with stuff you

656
00:26:23,810 --> 00:26:22,440
start looking for secrets you start

657
00:26:26,029 --> 00:26:23,820
looking for hidden meaning and hidden

658
00:26:28,610 --> 00:26:26,039
messages and you can go down some

659
00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:28,620
interesting rabbit holes or be led down

660
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,559
some interesting rabbit holes and and

661
00:26:35,810 --> 00:26:34,320
yeah it does feel a little bit like and

662
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,820
the nine and I wouldn't be surprised

663
00:26:40,909 --> 00:26:37,200
like I said earlier

664
00:26:43,850 --> 00:26:40,919
if there was some manipulation uh being

665
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:43,860
involved but as far as severe punishment

666
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,039
I don't know in the end all they did was

667
00:26:52,370 --> 00:26:49,919
go AWOL they they didn't they didn't

668
00:26:54,769 --> 00:26:52,380
violate any security procedures they

669
00:26:57,470 --> 00:26:54,779
didn't take any documents there was a

670
00:26:59,149 --> 00:26:57,480
thorough investigation and I I think the

671
00:27:01,310 --> 00:26:59,159
the upshot was we just don't need these

672
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,320
people they can't be trusted we can't

673
00:27:05,930 --> 00:27:03,120
trust them anymore they didn't do

674
00:27:08,269 --> 00:27:05,940
anything severely wrong but what they

675
00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:08,279
did was irresponsible enough and

676
00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:09,960
honestly kind of weird enough that that

677
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,600
we don't need them around secure

678
00:27:17,149 --> 00:27:14,880
information but

679
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:17,159
um but yeah I think they're they're very

680
00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:18,840
likely was

681
00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:20,400
some kind of weirdness going on

682
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,100
somewhere this is all very strange and

683
00:27:26,750 --> 00:27:24,720
I'm not sure that weirdness was a sort

684
00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:26,760
of group think that might have been

685
00:27:31,630 --> 00:27:29,159
brought on by psychic events or some

686
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:31,640
sort of you know Sinister more

687
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,340
terrestrial normal scientific kind of

688
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:37,919
manipulation but things are things are

689
00:27:42,590 --> 00:27:40,559
very strange so speak strange things

690
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:42,600
let's get back into it with Vance

691
00:27:52,610 --> 00:27:46,090
Davis's book Unbroken promises

692
00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:56,810
so in 1995 Vance Davis and the co-author

693
00:28:02,090 --> 00:27:59,940
Brian blashaw released unbroken promises

694
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,100
a true story of courage and belief and

695
00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:05,520
there is a quote or a quotation rather a

696
00:28:10,909 --> 00:28:08,100
quote as a verb quotation is a noun on

697
00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:10,919
top of the Dust jacket that says

698
00:28:14,090 --> 00:28:12,659
I will support and defend the

699
00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:14,100
Constitution of the United States

700
00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:17,700
against all enemies foreign and domestic

701
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:20,940
so you can tell this is going to have a

702
00:28:26,029 --> 00:28:24,539
little bit of a political bent like we

703
00:28:28,370 --> 00:28:26,039
saw in the

704
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,380
um in some of the the earlier material

705
00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:30,000
now we're not going to go through this

706
00:28:34,730 --> 00:28:32,820
book extensively he said in that

707
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:34,740
official program he was writing a 300

708
00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:37,559
page book this ended up being

709
00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:39,960
um exclusive of the photocopied

710
00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:43,260
government documents uh it ended up

711
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:46,740
being a little over about 212 pages so

712
00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:50,880
he missed it by 100 pages but um it is a

713
00:28:57,289 --> 00:28:53,820
slim volume 200 Pages the the pages the

714
00:28:59,870 --> 00:28:57,299
paper itself is thin it is a very plain

715
00:29:03,310 --> 00:28:59,880
book there are no illustrations on it

716
00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:03,320
besides the uh the photos of the authors

717
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:05,820
and uh this book

718
00:29:10,669 --> 00:29:08,880
which is autographed by Vance Davis

719
00:29:12,409 --> 00:29:10,679
cost me

720
00:29:18,889 --> 00:29:12,419
seventy dollars

721
00:29:21,529 --> 00:29:18,899
hurt but I knew I probably couldn't do

722
00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:21,539
this episode without this book so

723
00:29:24,649 --> 00:29:23,700
that that was that was a this might have

724
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:24,659
been the

725
00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:26,580
I'm not saying it's the UFO related

726
00:29:32,450 --> 00:29:29,220
purchase I regret the most but it is it

727
00:29:36,010 --> 00:29:32,460
is right up there so it begins with his

728
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,020
um with his life as a child in in Kansas

729
00:29:41,149 --> 00:29:38,880
and he talks about the Silva mind

730
00:29:44,029 --> 00:29:41,159
control system he talks about how

731
00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:44,039
through meditation he creates like a

732
00:29:49,490 --> 00:29:46,620
room with a control panel and view

733
00:29:51,169 --> 00:29:49,500
screens where he sees what is coming and

734
00:29:53,090 --> 00:29:51,179
and what is and I've read the Silver

735
00:29:56,029 --> 00:29:53,100
mind control stuff that's how you're

736
00:30:00,529 --> 00:29:56,039
supposed to do it but he he conjured up

737
00:30:02,330 --> 00:30:00,539
a a guide named Kia like the Korean car

738
00:30:04,909 --> 00:30:02,340
company and

739
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,919
um so Kia gives some information and

740
00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:07,440
it's usually pretty boring benign stuff

741
00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:09,860
but it is almost like a a contact

742
00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:12,600
experience sort of thing there are heavy

743
00:30:17,210 --> 00:30:14,460
religious overtones to this during one

744
00:30:21,169 --> 00:30:17,220
of his Silva mind control excursions he

745
00:30:22,909 --> 00:30:21,179
comes to get acquainted with a very sort

746
00:30:26,210 --> 00:30:22,919
of well put together man who he refers

747
00:30:29,389 --> 00:30:26,220
to as Mr Perfect not Kurt from his old

748
00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:29,399
WWF days but a a physically purse a

749
00:30:34,669 --> 00:30:32,100
perfect human and it turns out obviously

750
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,679
that this is Satan

751
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:36,720
um and whose real name cannot be

752
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,200
mentioned so that assumes that uh Satan

753
00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:43,200
has a different name somewhere but

754
00:30:47,810 --> 00:30:45,480
um but Satan calls out Vance Davis as

755
00:30:50,570 --> 00:30:47,820
being one who will fight on the side of

756
00:30:52,909 --> 00:30:50,580
Jesus in The Great War that is to come

757
00:30:54,889 --> 00:30:52,919
so even earlier in the first 50 pages of

758
00:30:58,490 --> 00:30:54,899
the book Vance is sort of big upping

759
00:31:01,010 --> 00:30:58,500
himself as you know Jesus's uh sort of

760
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,020
sort of corner man in the the battle

761
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:03,600
against the devil for the most part the

762
00:31:08,330 --> 00:31:06,480
book tracks the the story that we've

763
00:31:10,490 --> 00:31:08,340
heard on Coast to Coast the story that

764
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,500
we've heard uh in in the the official

765
00:31:15,950 --> 00:31:13,200
guide or program for that conference but

766
00:31:18,350 --> 00:31:15,960
it dwells more heavily on the religious

767
00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:18,360
aspects and the fact that they did uh

768
00:31:22,669 --> 00:31:20,279
they did sort of get communication from

769
00:31:27,769 --> 00:31:22,679
an entity claiming to be the Virgin Mary

770
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:30,169
Mary expressed her concern about the

771
00:31:33,950 --> 00:31:31,919
statues and other images of her that are

772
00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:33,960
found in most churches it encourages

773
00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:35,580
people toward idolatry instead of

774
00:31:38,750 --> 00:31:37,020
focusing their attention on the Creator

775
00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:38,760
who alone is deserving of our worship

776
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:40,980
she does appreciate our prayers though

777
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:43,440
especially the rosary Mary said that

778
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,240
prayer helps many souls to move up the

779
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,760
ladder love is the strongest force in

780
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:49,679
the universe she told us when someone

781
00:31:54,169 --> 00:31:52,320
passes from one space to another fond

782
00:31:55,970 --> 00:31:54,179
memories and prayers help push the soul

783
00:31:57,950 --> 00:31:55,980
forward negative thoughts on the other

784
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,960
hand can sometimes trap a soul in this

785
00:32:02,930 --> 00:32:00,000
space without a body

786
00:32:05,630 --> 00:32:02,940
do you mean ghosts Annette asked Mary

787
00:32:07,610 --> 00:32:05,640
replied yes they cannot move forward on

788
00:32:09,470 --> 00:32:07,620
their own and must be helped she added

789
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,480
that some can become very hurtful in

790
00:32:12,649 --> 00:32:10,799
this space

791
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:12,659
why aren't they just sent to Hell Ken

792
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:15,240
asked Mary replied the hell has not been

793
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,700
created yet she urged us to read the

794
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,679
Bible that was a very charitable way for

795
00:32:23,450 --> 00:32:21,840
her to say it since most of us hadn't a

796
00:32:25,549 --> 00:32:23,460
clue as to what most of the Bible said

797
00:32:27,289 --> 00:32:25,559
we did investigate it however and

798
00:32:29,870 --> 00:32:27,299
discovered that hell will not be created

799
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,880
until the Judgment Mary reminded us that

800
00:32:33,409 --> 00:32:31,200
no one knows the time of the Judgment

801
00:32:35,149 --> 00:32:33,419
Day that even the Guardians were not

802
00:32:37,549 --> 00:32:35,159
privy to such information

803
00:32:39,169 --> 00:32:37,559
we were about to ask Mary about who or

804
00:32:41,389 --> 00:32:39,179
what these Guardians might be when she

805
00:32:42,590 --> 00:32:41,399
rather abruptly said her goodbyes she

806
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,600
said that she would talk to us another

807
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,880
time but more important business needed

808
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:47,039
to be discussed that the Guardians were

809
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:55,490
I'm not Catholic but I don't know it

810
00:32:59,409 --> 00:32:57,240
seems like the Virgin Mary would be you

811
00:33:02,149 --> 00:32:59,419
know down with the rosary and everything

812
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:02,159
but I don't know it's weird that the

813
00:33:08,269 --> 00:33:04,500
Virgin Mary would have a such a

814
00:33:11,810 --> 00:33:08,279
sort of heterodox conception of hell and

815
00:33:15,049 --> 00:33:11,820
judgment and you know

816
00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:15,059
it's such a I don't know it just seemed

817
00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:16,980
like very much a

818
00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:19,860
Protestants appropriating

819
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:23,880
Catholic ideas kind of thing to hear not

820
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:26,159
that I've really got a dog in the the

821
00:33:31,789 --> 00:33:28,380
Catholic appropriation fight but it just

822
00:33:35,149 --> 00:33:31,799
seems a bit odd there are others besides

823
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:35,159
the Virgin Mary and Sapphire that talk

824
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,860
to uh talk to the Gulf Breeze six one

825
00:33:41,570 --> 00:33:39,360
Spirit who talked to them through the

826
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:41,580
Ouija board was a fellow named Timothy

827
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:43,740
and Timothy was dropping some knowledge

828
00:33:48,529 --> 00:33:45,480
on them about what might be coming in

829
00:33:51,769 --> 00:33:50,750
Timothy began his part of the session by

830
00:33:53,389 --> 00:33:51,779
stating that the United States

831
00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:53,399
government was going to fall within the

832
00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:55,080
next 10 years to be replaced by

833
00:33:59,149 --> 00:33:56,820
something called the New World Order

834
00:34:00,889 --> 00:33:59,159
none of us had ever heard the phrase and

835
00:34:02,090 --> 00:34:00,899
we were all struggling with the idea

836
00:34:04,190 --> 00:34:02,100
that the greatest country in the world

837
00:34:06,590 --> 00:34:04,200
could go down the toilet especially in

838
00:34:08,690 --> 00:34:06,600
such a short period of time later after

839
00:34:10,849 --> 00:34:08,700
my arrest my grandparents gave me a book

840
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:10,859
by Pat Robertson called you guessed it

841
00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:13,440
the new world order it was not pleasant

842
00:34:18,050 --> 00:34:15,780
reading nor was it fiction nor was it

843
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:18,060
anything we can afford to ignore the

844
00:34:23,089 --> 00:34:20,220
more we learn about this order the more

845
00:34:24,770 --> 00:34:23,099
nightmarish it becomes a major problem

846
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,780
lies in the fact that the United States

847
00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:26,639
is no longer the world power that it

848
00:34:31,129 --> 00:34:29,220
once was and has no security backing its

849
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:31,139
money the United States for the last

850
00:34:34,369 --> 00:34:32,760
several decades has spent more than it

851
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:34,379
earned and the same thing has happened

852
00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:35,760
to our government that happens to any

853
00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:37,320
other organization that is fiscally

854
00:34:42,829 --> 00:34:40,200
irresponsible the exact words were the

855
00:34:45,169 --> 00:34:42,839
USA is bankrupt the financial slide

856
00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:45,179
became apparent in the 50s so our August

857
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:47,220
leaders in their Infinite Wisdom took

858
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:49,200
our economy off the gold stand and the

859
00:34:53,149 --> 00:34:50,879
Federal Reserve brokered the sale of all

860
00:34:54,589 --> 00:34:53,159
the gold to various banking interests

861
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,599
around the world

862
00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:56,879
soon became apparent however that those

863
00:35:01,070 --> 00:34:58,740
various interests were actually closer

864
00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:01,080
knit than imagined the U.S was forced to

865
00:35:04,609 --> 00:35:02,940
borrow to pay its debts and then began

866
00:35:07,010 --> 00:35:04,619
to borrow to pay the interest on those

867
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,020
debts all the while incurring more and

868
00:35:11,569 --> 00:35:09,119
more debt ever tried floating your

869
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,579
credit cards same thing but on a

870
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,440
Monumental scale

871
00:35:17,690 --> 00:35:15,599
Sapphire explained that Congress has no

872
00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:17,700
real power anymore and that the real

873
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:26,150
you know you pick up a book or you've

874
00:35:30,109 --> 00:35:28,260
dropped 70 bucks on a book and you think

875
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:30,119
you're getting the inside story of what

876
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:33,420
these Intel insiders knew that made them

877
00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:36,960
flee their their assignment to go to the

878
00:35:41,329 --> 00:35:39,540
United States to tell people the truth

879
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:41,339
about what they'd learned from the Ouija

880
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,480
board and

881
00:35:46,190 --> 00:35:44,160
you get a bunch of stuff about the gold

882
00:35:49,010 --> 00:35:46,200
standard and the international bankers

883
00:35:51,230 --> 00:35:49,020
and the New World Order and you just

884
00:35:55,550 --> 00:35:51,240
sort of realize that time is a flat

885
00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:55,560
circle and nothing really matters

886
00:36:00,109 --> 00:35:57,480
um I'm not going to say that I was I was

887
00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:00,119
quite that bereft when I read this

888
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,940
section when I got to this point because

889
00:36:06,770 --> 00:36:05,040
I've been doing this a while and I know

890
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:06,780
that at some point

891
00:36:10,190 --> 00:36:08,460
eighty percent of people are going to

892
00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:10,200
bring up the gold standard and

893
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,260
international Bankers no matter what the

894
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,839
UFO or paranormal or conspiracy book is

895
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:18,240
about it it's just eight out of ten

896
00:36:23,329 --> 00:36:21,000
times it's it's gonna be there it's like

897
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:23,339
come on now you know you know it's there

898
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:26,640
you can't be surprised other things we

899
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:28,859
see other predictions we get

900
00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:31,020
um we get some earthquakes uh well and

901
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,520
they sort of talk about the predictions

902
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:34,560
and then in a later chapter he sort of

903
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:37,680
coalesce collates all the predictions I

904
00:36:42,290 --> 00:36:39,540
guess that's a Time filler space we get

905
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:42,300
the stuff about beginning in 1995 the

906
00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:44,520
military will begin marking its soldiers

907
00:36:49,849 --> 00:36:48,180
and they said or Vance Davis said you

908
00:36:51,950 --> 00:36:49,859
don't have to be a big believer in the

909
00:36:55,609 --> 00:36:51,960
Bible to not want the mark of the beast

910
00:36:57,530 --> 00:36:55,619
well you kind of literally do

911
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:57,540
um other things oh another one of their

912
00:37:00,829 --> 00:36:59,040
their channels through the Ouija board

913
00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:00,839
Zechariah

914
00:37:06,109 --> 00:37:03,720
um had uh had a bunch of information and

915
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:06,119
Annette was having to keep notes and she

916
00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:08,520
couldn't keep up because it was just an

917
00:37:14,329 --> 00:37:11,640
endless barrage of predictions and

918
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:16,250
U.S government closes borders with

919
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,020
Canada and Mexico airspace over U.S is

920
00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:21,599
restricted airliners shot down 302

921
00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:23,700
passengers lost martial law declared

922
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,700
Constitution suspended for 90 days some

923
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,560
EC governments controlled by terrorist

924
00:37:33,410 --> 00:37:30,480
activity Safe House destroyed in

925
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,420
Massachusetts 120 arrested 40 killed 36

926
00:37:38,210 --> 00:37:35,760
injured government reports 200 troops

927
00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:38,220
killed 140 terrorists captured in raid

928
00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:40,440
on crack house 20 major universities

929
00:37:44,810 --> 00:37:43,020
shut down social unrest in U.S worsens

930
00:37:46,849 --> 00:37:44,820
military forces shipped home from

931
00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:46,859
overseas military personnel in Europe

932
00:37:51,290 --> 00:37:49,320
restricted to post for 30 days explosion

933
00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:51,300
in Supermarket linked to terrorist 80

934
00:38:00,290 --> 00:37:57,950
so our military force is being shipped

935
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,300
home from overseas or is every American

936
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:02,160
Service person in Europe locked down on

937
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,099
their base for 30 days pick one Vance

938
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:07,440
jeez both can't be true

939
00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:11,160
uh what else do we have here we find out

940
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:12,420
that

941
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,460
um one of their uh one of the the Gulf

942
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:16,320
Breeze six who went from the nickname

943
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,140
crispy his mom had mobilized a

944
00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:21,359
formidable force it says of senators and

945
00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:23,820
congresspersons and as we understood it

946
00:38:28,250 --> 00:38:25,740
our release had been ordered by none

947
00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:28,260
other than the president himself in some

948
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,180
interviews Davis would would say that

949
00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:32,640
that President George H.W bush was in

950
00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:34,260
favor of releasing the Gulf Breeze six

951
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:35,400
but

952
00:38:39,290 --> 00:38:37,020
um chairman of the Joint Chiefs Colin

953
00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:39,300
Powell was vehemently against it because

954
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:41,579
he stood for military discipline but

955
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:44,040
George H.W bush knew what the real story

956
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,500
was what was the real story

957
00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:48,720
apparently that these predictions would

958
00:38:51,890 --> 00:38:50,520
embarrass them so what were these

959
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,900
predictions

960
00:38:56,450 --> 00:38:54,000
um there's uh there's a few here that

961
00:38:59,150 --> 00:38:56,460
are interesting earthquake will occur in

962
00:39:01,730 --> 00:38:59,160
Iran over 300 000 will be injured and

963
00:39:05,329 --> 00:39:01,740
killed this was received from sapphire

964
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:05,339
in late 1990 or late May 1990 the Tehran

965
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,640
earthquake occurred in June 1990. that

966
00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:10,560
earthquake did not kill over three

967
00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:12,300
hundred thousand it did not kill and

968
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,579
injure over 300 000.

969
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:16,560
um the total number of dead and injured

970
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:18,300
if you take the top

971
00:39:24,890 --> 00:39:21,420
the top most amount of the estimates of

972
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:24,900
dead and injured tops out at about 155

973
00:39:32,810 --> 00:39:29,280
000 which is absolutely horrific but you

974
00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:32,820
can't count it as a win sorry major UFO

975
00:39:38,089 --> 00:39:35,400
conferences canceled in Germany so yeah

976
00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:38,099
that did happen a war in the Middle East

977
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,140
shall be a warning of Armageddon it will

978
00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:42,480
involve the U.S Iraq and Israel if

979
00:39:47,329 --> 00:39:44,700
Israel stays out then the war will be

980
00:39:50,270 --> 00:39:47,339
short with 45 days of fighting if not

981
00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:50,280
the nuclear exchange could occur and

982
00:39:55,069 --> 00:39:52,680
they said um this was received in May of

983
00:39:57,050 --> 00:39:55,079
1990 the Gulf War began in August when

984
00:40:00,349 --> 00:39:57,060
Saddam Hussein's forces invaded Kuwait

985
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:00,359
the actual battle lasted 43 days

986
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,599
again it would be more impressive if we

987
00:40:08,770 --> 00:40:05,280
had those words

988
00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:08,780
somewhere before the actual event

989
00:40:13,849 --> 00:40:12,300
occurred and what wasn't Israel involved

990
00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:13,859
I mean Israel was attacked with scud

991
00:40:20,030 --> 00:40:17,820
missiles I remember the the I wasn't

992
00:40:21,770 --> 00:40:20,040
there but I remember

993
00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:21,780
um I guess Israel didn't go on the

994
00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:23,820
offensive and invade Iraq is what his

995
00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:25,320
point is

996
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:27,480
shuttle will not be launched if a fuel

997
00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:29,520
leak is caught in time if not then the

998
00:40:34,130 --> 00:40:32,040
Challenger disaster will be repeated

999
00:40:36,530 --> 00:40:34,140
this was received by Vance and ought in

1000
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,540
June of 1990 while at Annette's house in

1001
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:39,119
August 1990 seconds before liftoff the

1002
00:40:43,069 --> 00:40:40,800
launch was aborted because a fuel leak

1003
00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:43,079
was discovered now my problem with this

1004
00:40:49,010 --> 00:40:46,020
prediction is that the Challenger was

1005
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:49,020
not destroyed because of a a fuel leak

1006
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,420
really I mean it it

1007
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,280
it's it's a problem

1008
00:40:59,210 --> 00:40:56,400
uh let's see unification of Germany will

1009
00:41:00,890 --> 00:40:59,220
become a fact in late 1990 it was noted

1010
00:41:03,890 --> 00:41:00,900
by Vance several months before the event

1011
00:41:08,089 --> 00:41:03,900
yeah prove it riots in Los Angeles would

1012
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,230
maybe again we we don't know I mean

1013
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:13,920
here's the thing

1014
00:41:20,329 --> 00:41:18,000
I've said this before I'll say it again

1015
00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:20,339
the predictions that were in the

1016
00:41:24,410 --> 00:41:22,020
government documents that the public had

1017
00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:24,420
access to before the events occurred

1018
00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:27,240
were much blander and more vague than

1019
00:41:31,370 --> 00:41:29,460
this it's so much it's so easy to write

1020
00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:31,380
up and say look we had all these things

1021
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,420
in our notes that were confiscated by

1022
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,760
the government but we did we did predict

1023
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:37,440
it absolutely

1024
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,619
so it's not often I say this but this

1025
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:43,440
book is unnecessary it's unnecessary for

1026
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,780
you to buy it is unnecessary for you to

1027
00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:48,000
read the best part of the book The Most

1028
00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:50,700
Interesting part of the book are the the

1029
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:53,460
documents from the questioning and

1030
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,440
affidavits and the original reports that

1031
00:41:59,089 --> 00:41:57,359
were Declassified later and yes those

1032
00:42:01,490 --> 00:41:59,099
are floating around or you could file a

1033
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,500
foia request to get those it's nice to

1034
00:42:04,990 --> 00:42:02,880
have them in one place it would have

1035
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:05,000
been nicer if it hadn't cost me 70 bucks

1036
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,280
to do so which is which is a problem

1037
00:42:12,410 --> 00:42:10,800
this book is not great this book was

1038
00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:12,420
published by

1039
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:14,940
um white Mesa

1040
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:18,240
publishing which I think existed only to

1041
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:22,079
publish this book but after this Vance

1042
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:25,200
Davis would sort of go away for a while

1043
00:42:30,050 --> 00:42:28,560
and then he would surface in the

1044
00:42:32,990 --> 00:42:30,060
strangest place

1045
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:33,000
on Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell again

1046
00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:37,440
in 1998 this time sort of brought or

1047
00:42:44,450 --> 00:42:40,619
re-brought to Arts attention by Richard

1048
00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:44,460
Hoagland the face on Mars guy and we're

1049
00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:46,020
going to do a Richard Hoagland episode

1050
00:42:50,569 --> 00:42:48,060
at some point probably right before we

1051
00:42:53,569 --> 00:42:50,579
do that Roswell episode that will be the

1052
00:42:57,770 --> 00:42:53,579
harbinger of the end of the show but

1053
00:42:59,390 --> 00:42:57,780
um got some clips from this and it's

1054
00:43:00,890 --> 00:42:59,400
it's interesting because if you're

1055
00:43:02,890 --> 00:43:00,900
familiar at all with with Richard

1056
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,900
hoagland's schtick about

1057
00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:04,800
hyperdimensional physics in the face on

1058
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,140
Mars and NASA cover-ups and Freemasons

1059
00:43:11,329 --> 00:43:09,599
and things like that uh it's weird to

1060
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:11,339
hear him talking about this kind of

1061
00:43:17,089 --> 00:43:13,980
stuff but he he works Vance Davis's

1062
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:17,099
material into his whole uh into his

1063
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:19,500
whole shtick and uh to start off before

1064
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:21,839
Vance even appeared on the show there

1065
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,480
was a little bit where Hoagland talks

1066
00:43:29,569 --> 00:43:27,119
about what science is and how science

1067
00:43:31,069 --> 00:43:29,579
works and I want to bring on a couple of

1068
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,079
colleagues who will work very hard

1069
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,359
they're behind the scenes to provide

1070
00:43:37,309 --> 00:43:35,520
some of this evidence and we will let

1071
00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:37,319
the people decide because that's what

1072
00:43:41,210 --> 00:43:38,940
science is is putting the evidence on

1073
00:43:42,589 --> 00:43:41,220
the table and letting the body policy

1074
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,599
come to a decision

1075
00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:44,880
I am almost positive that is not what

1076
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,859
science is science isn't like we got two

1077
00:43:52,270 --> 00:43:48,720
options here folks let's just let's just

1078
00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:52,280
let the mass of people the body politic

1079
00:43:57,309 --> 00:43:55,619
decide what the truth is based on all of

1080
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,319
these different interpretations

1081
00:44:01,550 --> 00:44:00,240
including the most Bonkers ones you can

1082
00:44:04,490 --> 00:44:01,560
imagine

1083
00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:04,500
um Richard Hoagland I must stress is not

1084
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:06,119
a scientist and that had nothing to do

1085
00:44:09,650 --> 00:44:07,680
with the advanced Davis portion of

1086
00:44:11,809 --> 00:44:09,660
things I just thought it was really

1087
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:11,819
important to um

1088
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:15,240
just illustrate what hoagland's view of

1089
00:44:20,930 --> 00:44:17,460
science is but here Hoagland tells art

1090
00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:20,940
how he discovered Vance Davis and and

1091
00:44:26,089 --> 00:44:23,339
sort of sort of realizing that Vance

1092
00:44:27,950 --> 00:44:26,099
Davis was a thing and this Coast to

1093
00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:27,960
Coast episode this is not one that has

1094
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:29,700
been re-released on the Art Bell

1095
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,119
Somewhere in Time series uh this is a

1096
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:35,040
digitization that someone made off of

1097
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:37,800
their radio I've cleaned up the sort of

1098
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:40,140
late night am static as well as I could

1099
00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:43,680
but uh the the quality is is not um

1100
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:46,200
pristine all right I want to be clear

1101
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:47,940
now about

1102
00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:50,520
um who you say Vance Davis is and we'll

1103
00:44:56,829 --> 00:44:52,500
do that by asking Nance Davis in a

1104
00:44:59,329 --> 00:44:56,839
moment but you say he is a former NSA

1105
00:45:01,609 --> 00:44:59,339
employee is that accurate that is

1106
00:45:04,010 --> 00:45:01,619
accurate all right

1107
00:45:06,890 --> 00:45:04,020
it turned out a year later that as I'm

1108
00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:06,900
sitting at my computer and CNN is coming

1109
00:45:11,390 --> 00:45:09,300
on with this rather remarkable set of

1110
00:45:14,030 --> 00:45:11,400
pictures of the World Trade Towers

1111
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:14,040
that his words you know instantly came

1112
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,180
back to mind

1113
00:45:19,550 --> 00:45:17,520
because the the events you know the

1114
00:45:22,670 --> 00:45:19,560
major explosion in New York City that he

1115
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:22,680
had uh hit me to back had come to pass

1116
00:45:27,950 --> 00:45:25,260
well at that point I got very intrigued

1117
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,960
with Davis and his associates there were

1118
00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:30,000
other members of this category that he

1119
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:32,280
will refer to so hokey is referring to

1120
00:45:37,010 --> 00:45:34,680
there is Davis's prediction that the

1121
00:45:39,890 --> 00:45:37,020
World Trade Center would be bombed in

1122
00:45:42,829 --> 00:45:39,900
1993 and he made this and and that he

1123
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:42,839
hipped me to this event he hipped me to

1124
00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:45,000
um Hoagland says trying to sound way

1125
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,260
cooler than he ever was or ever will be

1126
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:50,880
um

1127
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,640
Davis if you recall from last time we

1128
00:45:59,569 --> 00:45:55,920
played those clips from the sightings TV

1129
00:46:01,490 --> 00:45:59,579
program he made those declarations on

1130
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,500
the sightings TV program he didn't have

1131
00:46:07,490 --> 00:46:03,440
to hip Richard Hoagland to anything

1132
00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:07,500
personally so Hoagland has a way of

1133
00:46:13,069 --> 00:46:10,500
making things sound grander than what he

1134
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,079
was than than what they were and

1135
00:46:17,690 --> 00:46:15,839
Grandeur making himself sound grander

1136
00:46:19,970 --> 00:46:17,700
than what he was another interesting

1137
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,980
part of this episode is

1138
00:46:24,410 --> 00:46:21,599
um Davis talking about the Silver mind

1139
00:46:26,089 --> 00:46:24,420
control and sort of taking off and

1140
00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:26,099
continuing on from what he said in that

1141
00:46:30,290 --> 00:46:28,140
official conference program about the

1142
00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:30,300
Silva mind control training bringing him

1143
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:34,020
to the attention of the government

1144
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:37,920
uh taking Silver mind control yes by

1145
00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:40,319
Jose Silva out of Laredo Texas yeah I'm

1146
00:46:44,210 --> 00:46:42,060
familiar with it yeah I took that class

1147
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:44,220
when I was a teenager when I was in high

1148
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:45,180
school

1149
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,400
my parents put all of us through it my

1150
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:48,960
whole family took it all right so you're

1151
00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:51,839
now suggesting that that had some

1152
00:46:56,510 --> 00:46:54,420
bearing on why they pick you it had a

1153
00:46:58,490 --> 00:46:56,520
possibility and my mind I'm like wait a

1154
00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:58,500
minute how did they get the information

1155
00:47:03,950 --> 00:47:01,260
in some of the scores that I scored in

1156
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:03,960
those courses all come now that's my

1157
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:06,300
that was my thought part of the NSA they

1158
00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:08,520
can do that yeah well that's that's the

1159
00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:10,140
implication I didn't know I was 13 years

1160
00:47:13,849 --> 00:47:11,880
old that was stupid so just so you know

1161
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,859
the Silver mind control program that the

1162
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:16,079
basic book it was I think I think was

1163
00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:19,440
pocketbooks published it the the one of

1164
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:21,000
the original editions you you could buy

1165
00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:24,240
the Silva mind control technique book

1166
00:47:30,650 --> 00:47:27,000
in any bookstore on the paperback

1167
00:47:32,809 --> 00:47:30,660
spinner rack back in the 1980s it's not

1168
00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:32,819
like the sale maybe the sales of it were

1169
00:47:37,849 --> 00:47:35,400
all being tracked by the NSA through the

1170
00:47:40,130 --> 00:47:37,859
the bar codes the bookstores might scan

1171
00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:40,140
but if you paid with cash how would they

1172
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:42,900
be able to trade anyway

1173
00:47:48,109 --> 00:47:45,359
um but you heard you heard Hoagie kind

1174
00:47:50,030 --> 00:47:48,119
of kind of wanting to talk as uh Davis

1175
00:47:51,530 --> 00:47:50,040
is finishing up that uh that little bit

1176
00:47:53,390 --> 00:47:51,540
because you you cannot stop Richard

1177
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:53,400
Hoagland from talking

1178
00:48:00,050 --> 00:47:56,160
um and it's it's just frustrating but

1179
00:48:02,450 --> 00:48:00,060
amazing and and this is his explanation

1180
00:48:05,690 --> 00:48:02,460
for for what might have been going on

1181
00:48:07,490 --> 00:48:05,700
with the NSA being interested in what

1182
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:07,500
Davis was doing with silver mind control

1183
00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:10,560
as a teenager yes can I interrupt for a

1184
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,400
second sure there is a very well done

1185
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,079
NBC television show

1186
00:48:19,069 --> 00:48:18,000
which is run now for a couple three

1187
00:48:22,670 --> 00:48:19,079
seasons

1188
00:48:26,809 --> 00:48:22,680
called The Pretender yep and the concept

1189
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:26,819
is young children singled out as having

1190
00:48:31,370 --> 00:48:30,000
special talents or abilities or or

1191
00:48:33,530 --> 00:48:31,380
potential

1192
00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:33,540
and brought up in an isolated

1193
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:36,660
environment to serve something other

1194
00:48:42,170 --> 00:48:39,000
than normal society okay well that makes

1195
00:48:44,089 --> 00:48:42,180
sense no it doesn't that that's not what

1196
00:48:46,430 --> 00:48:44,099
Davis was talking about at all in The

1197
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,440
Pretender you had kids taken from their

1198
00:48:50,569 --> 00:48:48,720
families and raised in this in this

1199
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:50,579
horrible environment as much more akin

1200
00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:51,839
to

1201
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,540
um more MK Ultra type things but uh

1202
00:48:58,730 --> 00:48:55,920
Hoagland just wants to make it clear

1203
00:49:00,109 --> 00:48:58,740
that that he watched TV and apparently

1204
00:49:02,270 --> 00:49:00,119
had a favorite show that he wanted to

1205
00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:02,280
shoehorn into the conversation which he

1206
00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:04,680
does incessantly

1207
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:06,900
um his entire calling his entire face on

1208
00:49:13,069 --> 00:49:09,540
Mars thing the Enterprise mission was

1209
00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:13,079
just a dumb Star Trek riff uh calling

1210
00:49:19,609 --> 00:49:15,900
calling the webmaster Scotty

1211
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:19,619
oh gosh I I just wanted to punch him I I

1212
00:49:24,589 --> 00:49:21,180
we're not going to get that Richard

1213
00:49:28,010 --> 00:49:24,599
Hoagland episode I I just I get I get to

1214
00:49:29,630 --> 00:49:28,020
I get to head up so Hoagland is is

1215
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:29,640
basically

1216
00:49:32,690 --> 00:49:30,480
um

1217
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:32,700
just they're just going over Vance

1218
00:49:38,510 --> 00:49:35,400
Davis's story and Hoagland is is jumping

1219
00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:38,520
in here and it's really unfocused the

1220
00:49:42,410 --> 00:49:40,440
the file I have doesn't have what the

1221
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:42,420
supposed topic of this Coast to Coast

1222
00:49:47,870 --> 00:49:45,599
episode was I I think it's just

1223
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:47,880
it's Hoagland wanted art to talk to

1224
00:49:52,130 --> 00:49:49,980
Vance Davis and Hoagland wanted to talk

1225
00:49:54,589 --> 00:49:52,140
to Vance Davis it was very unclear and

1226
00:49:56,750 --> 00:49:54,599
what's interesting is to listen to it

1227
00:49:59,150 --> 00:49:56,760
when I first listened to this 1998

1228
00:50:01,010 --> 00:49:59,160
episode it really seemed like art had no

1229
00:50:02,930 --> 00:50:01,020
idea who Vance Davis was that he had

1230
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,940
never talked to him before but then

1231
00:50:07,250 --> 00:50:05,040
Davis says well I did talk to you back

1232
00:50:10,010 --> 00:50:07,260
in 1994 and Art's like well of course I

1233
00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:10,020
remember that I really don't think art

1234
00:50:12,589 --> 00:50:11,099
did

1235
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,599
um one thing about Art Bell is is when

1236
00:50:16,370 --> 00:50:14,880
you listen to these episodes

1237
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,380
um there's

1238
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:18,720
there's you really do get the sense and

1239
00:50:23,150 --> 00:50:20,280
I I think it's it's an honest thing and

1240
00:50:26,210 --> 00:50:23,160
I don't begrudge art this at all art was

1241
00:50:28,910 --> 00:50:26,220
not a deep devotee of any of these

1242
00:50:31,730 --> 00:50:28,920
topics he really looked into art was an

1243
00:50:34,490 --> 00:50:31,740
Entertainer and that's a wonderful

1244
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:34,500
necessary thing uh but I think sometimes

1245
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:37,440
people assume the Art Bell was a

1246
00:50:42,290 --> 00:50:40,200
Paranormal Investigator or a UFO

1247
00:50:46,010 --> 00:50:42,300
investigator of some kind and and he was

1248
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:46,020
not he was a radio presenter here we

1249
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:46,920
have

1250
00:50:52,490 --> 00:50:50,160
um Hoagland talking about how

1251
00:50:54,650 --> 00:50:52,500
Davis and the rest were discharged from

1252
00:50:56,809 --> 00:50:54,660
the Army because

1253
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:56,819
might as well get to it

1254
00:51:03,710 --> 00:50:59,760
like so many stories of that sort it

1255
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:03,720
died Kaboom yeah like that it did it's

1256
00:51:08,510 --> 00:51:06,300
like an axle on it and cut off let me

1257
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:08,520
interrupt you okay when this was all

1258
00:51:14,270 --> 00:51:12,480
going down I was in Virginia I was

1259
00:51:16,130 --> 00:51:14,280
Consulting with one of your radio

1260
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:16,140
colleagues all right we won't need to

1261
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,280
mention the name but it was another

1262
00:51:24,530 --> 00:51:20,160
Network and the Gulf War was you know

1263
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:24,540
going on and this story flared briefly

1264
00:51:29,930 --> 00:51:27,660
six military you know enlisted personnel

1265
00:51:32,450 --> 00:51:29,940
in any sense of intelligence positions

1266
00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:32,460
yes suddenly going AWOL I remember

1267
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:35,940
showing up in Florida being arrested and

1268
00:51:39,650 --> 00:51:37,920
everyone who was watching this with any

1269
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:39,660
interest thought that their toast their

1270
00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:40,400
history

1271
00:51:46,730 --> 00:51:44,280
what makes this so astonishing

1272
00:51:49,609 --> 00:51:46,740
is that Vance Davis tonight is a free

1273
00:51:51,770 --> 00:51:49,619
man sitting in Phoenix Arizona his

1274
00:51:54,349 --> 00:51:51,780
colleagues are all free they were

1275
00:51:56,510 --> 00:51:54,359
cashiers out with honorable discharges

1276
00:51:59,089 --> 00:51:56,520
yeah the military somehow did this giant

1277
00:52:01,250 --> 00:51:59,099
turnaround honorable discharges Richard

1278
00:52:03,170 --> 00:52:01,260
Hoagland can confine the free Masonic

1279
00:52:06,109 --> 00:52:03,180
conspiracy within NASA

1280
00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:06,119
he can determine the the purpose of

1281
00:52:09,950 --> 00:52:07,800
hyperdimensional physics and its

1282
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,960
connection to Mars and ancient Egypt but

1283
00:52:13,549 --> 00:52:11,760
the man cannot read damn newspaper can

1284
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:13,559
he

1285
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:15,240
I

1286
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:16,800
Hoagland

1287
00:52:24,349 --> 00:52:21,480
Luthor he he really is he really is my

1288
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,359
Lex Luthor so

1289
00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:26,160
he rails these things he keeps talking

1290
00:52:30,250 --> 00:52:28,680
he talks over Vance can I can I

1291
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:30,260
interrupt can I interrupt here

1292
00:52:35,290 --> 00:52:32,640
constantly to the point where at the top

1293
00:52:39,170 --> 00:52:35,300
of the second hour art has to sort of

1294
00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:39,180
reset and and reboot the episode all

1295
00:52:45,170 --> 00:52:42,180
right let me relaunch the program this

1296
00:52:47,630 --> 00:52:45,180
way if I heard correctly and I do think

1297
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:47,640
I heard correctly Vance Davis

1298
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:49,920
who was former NSA

1299
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:53,040
has said to Richard and myself and all

1300
00:52:57,770 --> 00:52:54,720
of you just now

1301
00:53:01,069 --> 00:52:57,780
that myself

1302
00:53:02,410 --> 00:53:01,079
as well as ants as well as Richard are

1303
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:02,420
all

1304
00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:06,540
unwitting dupes of the government behind

1305
00:53:12,349 --> 00:53:09,480
the government uh that is what you said

1306
00:53:15,049 --> 00:53:12,359
is it not that is what I said and the

1307
00:53:16,490 --> 00:53:15,059
media falls into that category also so

1308
00:53:20,329 --> 00:53:16,500
art and Vance are trying to get it back

1309
00:53:21,770 --> 00:53:20,339
to to to Vance's original points at is

1310
00:53:24,109 --> 00:53:21,780
in his book in in his previous

1311
00:53:27,650 --> 00:53:24,119
appearance on Art Bell about the danger

1312
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,660
presented to the nation by the fake

1313
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:29,760
government or what have you and and

1314
00:53:34,910 --> 00:53:32,880
Hoagland just keeps bringing it back to

1315
00:53:37,549 --> 00:53:34,920
uh to all sorts of other things and and

1316
00:53:41,569 --> 00:53:37,559
he wraps It Up by talking about

1317
00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:41,579
um about by addressing a concern that a

1318
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:44,339
Coast-to-Coast listener raises

1319
00:53:48,829 --> 00:53:45,599
aren't

1320
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,839
the Gulf Breeze six and that's what you

1321
00:53:52,609 --> 00:53:50,640
were called Vance you were one of the

1322
00:53:54,589 --> 00:53:52,619
six right of the Pensacola News Journal

1323
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,599
yeah called called you the Gulf Breeze

1324
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:56,640
six we're given we're given honorable

1325
00:54:02,750 --> 00:53:59,839
discharges after they handed over

1326
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:02,760
1500 pages of notes these Pages

1327
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:06,000
contained predictions that were made in

1328
00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:09,440
seven sessions using our Ouija board

1329
00:54:15,650 --> 00:54:13,260
clearly with all due respect Advance he

1330
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:15,660
is not as credible as major Dames for

1331
00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:18,000
Richard to prop up Vance as a reliable

1332
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:21,240
source is questionable

1333
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:29,030
if we are dealing with an unconventional

1334
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:31,020
physics that allows us

1335
00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:33,839
to finish space and time and View events

1336
00:54:37,809 --> 00:54:35,940
Halfway Around the World Russian

1337
00:54:40,370 --> 00:54:37,819
submarines all the interesting

1338
00:54:42,589 --> 00:54:40,380
skullduggery that Ed and his colleagues

1339
00:54:44,750 --> 00:54:42,599
were involved in and the people that I

1340
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:44,760
survived before and helped put off

1341
00:54:50,809 --> 00:54:48,240
before that Advance after that and why

1342
00:54:52,849 --> 00:54:50,819
are we limiting the abnormal and

1343
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:52,859
forbidding us to consider that Ouija

1344
00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:55,680
boards are also an another technological

1345
00:54:59,690 --> 00:54:58,800
tool of this hyperdimensional physics in

1346
00:55:01,870 --> 00:54:59,700
other words

1347
00:55:04,910 --> 00:55:01,880
the Ouija board is a hyperdimensional

1348
00:55:07,309 --> 00:55:04,920
tool just like remote viewing it's all

1349
00:55:09,170 --> 00:55:07,319
the same thing and and maybe it is all

1350
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:09,180
the same thing but what's what's

1351
00:55:15,549 --> 00:55:13,020
glorious is is Hoagland declaring it to

1352
00:55:18,530 --> 00:55:15,559
all be his thing to all be

1353
00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:18,540
hyperdimensional physics much like the

1354
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:21,300
Gulf Breeze 6 appropriated elements of

1355
00:55:27,530 --> 00:55:24,720
Catholicism and and and Marian reverence

1356
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,540
to um bolster whatever point they were

1357
00:55:31,970 --> 00:55:29,040
trying to make so we have Richard

1358
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:31,980
Hoagland appropriating uh the Ouija

1359
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:34,140
board into his hyperdimensional physics

1360
00:55:39,049 --> 00:55:37,200
and appropriating major Ed Dames

1361
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,059
um I'm not sure Ed Dames is a good topic

1362
00:55:45,290 --> 00:55:42,000
for the show but uh no he probably isn't

1363
00:55:47,690 --> 00:55:45,300
but the Ed Dames things are are fun as

1364
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:47,700
well so after this Art Bell appearance I

1365
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:49,200
couldn't find any trace of Vance Davis

1366
00:55:55,309 --> 00:55:52,319
after uh after this appearance and he he

1367
00:55:58,370 --> 00:55:55,319
really is one of those I I sort of a

1368
00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:58,380
misfire in the the UFO paranormal field

1369
00:56:01,329 --> 00:56:00,599
because he never really gets off the

1370
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:01,339
ground

1371
00:56:06,290 --> 00:56:04,079
to any particular direction the the

1372
00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:06,300
predict he's not really an Earth changes

1373
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,420
prediction guy he's not really a UFO guy

1374
00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:11,760
even those aliens on the periphery of

1375
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:13,740
all this but it's never really fleshed

1376
00:56:20,270 --> 00:56:17,400
out he's he's not really a sort of

1377
00:56:22,190 --> 00:56:20,280
right-wing anti-new World Order bring

1378
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,200
back the real Constitution and hard

1379
00:56:27,650 --> 00:56:24,720
money guy he he just he just sort of

1380
00:56:29,630 --> 00:56:27,660
dabbles in all of these things and never

1381
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,640
really lands on any one of them in

1382
00:56:34,490 --> 00:56:31,200
particular and I think for that reason

1383
00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:34,500
he is he is very much just this this

1384
00:56:39,890 --> 00:56:36,660
epitome of

1385
00:56:43,730 --> 00:56:39,900
of the 90s of the the late 80s or the

1386
00:56:46,130 --> 00:56:43,740
early 90s and and the mid 90s and I wish

1387
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:46,140
I had something more

1388
00:56:51,470 --> 00:56:49,680
um more profound to to say about him but

1389
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,480
but I don't

1390
00:56:56,049 --> 00:56:53,760
um he's just this I don't want to say a

1391
00:56:59,329 --> 00:56:56,059
dilettante but there's a bit of of

1392
00:57:00,829 --> 00:56:59,339
dilettante to him and and it really is

1393
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,839
kind of a

1394
00:57:04,970 --> 00:57:02,640
a letdown to the mystery of the Gulf

1395
00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:04,980
Breeze six because the the initial story

1396
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:07,980
is so fascinating and so weird and then

1397
00:57:15,490 --> 00:57:10,559
like I said Davis keeps running with the

1398
00:57:18,589 --> 00:57:15,500
ball and he he runs it into the most 90s

1399
00:57:20,930 --> 00:57:18,599
paranormal parapolitical Quagmire you

1400
00:57:22,849 --> 00:57:20,940
can think of it's uh it's a little

1401
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:22,859
disappointing I I admit it might have

1402
00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:24,480
been less disappointing had I paid less

1403
00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:27,540
for his book but uh it was it was

1404
00:57:33,890 --> 00:57:30,420
disappointing nonetheless but a a fun

1405
00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:33,900
kind of disappointing if uh if if that

1406
00:57:41,390 --> 00:57:35,880
makes sense

1407
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:43,490
thanks for listening remember to send in

1408
00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:44,880
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1409
00:57:49,010 --> 00:57:46,980
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1410
00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:49,020
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1411
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:50,760
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1412
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1413
00:57:57,650 --> 00:57:55,500
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1414
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